Ep. 40: Finding Relief Again After a Symptom Relapse

Have you implemented all the necessary steps to maintain symptom relief?

 

In this episode of the Love Your Gut Podcast, I talk to Erica Shohrae about her journey to finding symptom relief, how the GutTogether program has helped her, her symptom relapse, the importance of group and individual support, how gut issues build up over time, and normalizing the conversations around gut health.

Erica Shohrae is the primary caretaker of her children, and the Host of the More Than Just Your Age Podcast, where she engages in conversations with women who live their lives fully without being defined by their age.

Prior to starting her gut health journey, Erica worked in HR and as a Spanish teacher, as well as running a nonprofit for at-risk children.

Erica holds a Bachelor’s Degree in Communications from the University of North Texas.

 

Topics Covered in This Episode:

• [02:47] Erica’s gut health story
• [12:44] Reaching out for help to overcome tricky gut symptoms
• [14:00] Erica’s most surprising root cause
• [16:31] Customized tools for tackling unpleasant GI symptoms
• [18:12] Learn the difference between tangible and intangible results
• [21:41] The importance of individualized and group support throughout your journey
• [25:07] Facing food fears
• [27:00] Why symptoms may persist and how to overcome them
• [28:41] How to move forward after a symptoms relapse
• [34:59] How to be successful moving forward regardless of age

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• “The path is not linear.”

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TRANSCRIPTION:

SPEAKERS

Dr. Heather Finley and Erica Shohrae

Erica Shohrae 0:02
I’m thankful that I was able to realize like, Hey, this is what’s causing all of this to happen. Again, it’s this outside factor that you can’t really control. But these are the steps. Going back to my notes when I was in the program. Going back to the things that I know what to do. And so, like I’ve even noticed in the past two weeks, that there has been a shift in my gut like it’s getting back to how it was when I finished the program, because I’m implementing those important steps.

Dr. Heather Finley 0:31
Hey, welcome to the love your gut podcast. I’m your host, Dr. Heather Finley, I know what you’re thinking, how am I supposed to love my gut when all it does is hold me back. I thought the same thing before I found my own relief from my own gut health issues. I dedicated my life to getting to the bottom of my own gut issues, so I could help women just like you transform theirs. Now I’m here to guide you through your own gut health journey. We do this through identifying your root causes and making sustainable and transformational changes. As a result, you can unleash your true potential. My goal is to empower you with the information and tools you need to love your guts. So it loves you back right here on this podcast. Welcome back to the next episode of the love your gut Podcast. Today. I’m really excited to be joined by a past client and friend, Erica. So long story we go way back but Erica Erica and I actually met because we used to be neighbors. And we both had babies, our first babies around the same time. So lots of memories with little babies wandering the streets of the city that we were in with actually multiple other moms. That’s how we originally connected. And then sadly, I moved in. So we no longer are neighbors. But we’ve stayed in touch. And so I’m really excited to have you here. Thanks for coming.

Erica Shohrae 1:56
Well, thank you so much for having me. I still you know, we have talked about this here and there about you leaving us. And it still makes me sad. But I have fond memories of as like the six of us just walking, taking up the entire streets with our little newborns, and just running, running the streets.

Dr. Heather Finley 2:13
It was amazing. It was one of those things where I’m like, this is the power of community, right? Because we all had, well, most of us it was our first baby. We all had no idea what we were doing. And it was like, what they were maybe born within like, what, six weeks of each other or something. And so we all were just like kind of figuring it out together. And I don’t know, it was like an instant bond with that like, a little bit trauma of having your first baby and what the heck is going on? And why are they crying? And I have no idea what to do so such fond memories. Definitely. Okay, well, I’d love for you to just introduce yourself and tell the listeners a bit about you. And, you know, you can share as much or as little as you want about your story and kind of what led you to reach out to me and say, Hey, I think I want to do the Get Together program.

Erica Shohrae 3:03
Yeah, well, my name is Erica pas var and I am primary caretaker for my children. So that’s my number one job right now is to care for them. I am in the DFW Metroplex. So married to my husband, we move to grapevine 2016. So I’ve been living there for a while. And I’m a former Spanish teacher used to work in human resources. And then prior to all of that to help run a nonprofit for at risk children. And at that time, actually was kind of the start of my issues that I didn’t realize were issues with my gut and just my health and everything. And I was in a very, very stressful job, a very rewarding job, but insanely stressful. So just dealing with a lot of children with heart problems with a lot of trauma with lack of parents lack of involvement. And so when you do that, you’re really, really invested in that. And in the midst of this, this is like, mid 20s for me. So I’m now in my late 30s. So it’s been a good bit of time. But I was I was working with these kids. And I was just noticing a change hormonally for myself. So I didn’t know exactly what it was, but I was highly irritable. Definitely stress. I mean, that was seeping out through acne and my skin. But was told like, oh, no, that’s, you know, that’s just you have bad acne. And I’m like, Okay, well, there has to be way more going on with all of that. And I just noticed that I don’t know if I already just said this, but I was insanely irritable and like really mad and angry and I’m not an angry person. At my core. You know, we all get angry with things here and there. But I was just, I found myself like there was one day, it was around Christmas time I was returning a gift at the mall. And this lady would not let me return anything and like I got so angry. I walked off but I wanted to try Turn around, like punch her in the face, but like, actually punch her. And that terrified me. And so I was like, Okay, I need to go get help and figure something out. And so I ended up finding a doctor who did like a thorough research of what was going on. So through all of that, she said, You know what, let me test you for your thyroid and found out that I had hypothyroidism with Hashimotos. And then she said, Okay, well, let’s put you on a gluten free diet. Well, at that time, being gluten free was kind of like a new ish. I mean, it wasn’t new, but it definitely wasn’t where it is now. So there was little products here and there that you could buy, but it was like 20 bucks for a loaf of bread. Now, it’s seven.

Dr. Heather Finley 5:42
Big difference.

Erica Shohrae 5:43
Yeah. high demand, low demand, you know, it’s changed a little bit. And so I was just like, oh, my gosh, I don’t know what to eat, don’t know what to do. And so I started just being gluten free, and also kind of not starving myself for to lose weight. But just in a way, like I didn’t know what to eat, I didn’t know what my body needed, and eventually figure that out. And so I got into some thyroid medication and was able to balance this hormone. And then eventually saw another doctor who said, Hey, we should probably see a nutritionist because with all that’s going on, like there’s a problem with your gut, like there’s that there’s more to the story, let’s rewind and go back to your history and, and so kind of to rewind even further as a child I had perforated eardrum so whole holes in my eardrums when you have tubes, most a lot of kids get a lot of ear infections, they have tubes, those tubes are supposed to fall out, my tubes fell in to form holes in my eardrum. And so because of that, I would get ear infections all the time. And because of that was given prescribed amoxicillin constantly as a child, well, that’s just what you did, right? It’s like an air infection, good amoxicillin. And then the whatever drops, which were different than the regular ear person of what I needed. And so just the build up over all those years of taking amoxicillin affected my gut and everything that was going on with that. And so, you know, I didn’t really see the nutritionist, because me being the wise person out of the relationship was like, I got this, I just need to be gluten free. I’m good. And then other times, I thought, Do I really need to be gluten free? Like, I feel like this is a hoax. And so then I would just like, eat whatever I wanted. And then probably months later realized, oh, wait, that they’re like there’s, it’s more of a long term effect. It’s a it’s affecting my thyroid is attacking my intestines and whatnot. And so that’s also just a whole other issue. So anyway, flash forward to I have my first son, have him don’t really think anything about get a she’s just mainly focusing on my thyroid, then I have my daughter, my second born, and probably like six or seven, eight months postpartum, just realize like, oh, I still look really pregnant. Every time I eat my stomach looks like it’s four or five months pregnant. Is this normal? And you know, in the midst of that, obviously, like, without my first child, we had met each other. And so we would talk about dietitian nutritionist things, and I like to pick your brain and get to learn like, what, what is happening, think about this. What is What does she know? And in the midst of I think having my daughter was right around the time where you started developing immunity had your business but developing your your program. And so I would see the things that you would post on Instagram, and you would say, you know, like, have you gone three or four days with having a bowel movement? That’s not normal. And I’m like, Oh, wait, that’s not normal. Like, I mean, you don’t talk about these things with your friends, like, Hey, I haven’t gotten to the bathroom. And like number two in for three or four days, because I just thought that that was normal. And so and then I will see you say things like, you know, if you’re eating too much, and you feel like you have this food, baby belly or food baby, like that’s not normal. And I was like, Oh, that’s not normal. Okay, and so just keep seeing these things. I’ve, you know, tried to do this, try to do that. And then I would try to do some of the suggestions that you had, but I just realized, Okay, I think there’s way more going on that I need to figure out that it’s not really normal. And so that’s when I reached out and that Heather saved my life. My life. My life.

Dr. Heather Finley 9:47
Well, I mean, I think you have a lot of really valid points, like a couple of things really stick out to me just hearing your story. And, I mean, the first thing is, of course, like the build up I think so many people think like oh, Oh, it’s the one thing that I did that like destroyed my gut. And maybe that’s the case. But for most people, your gut issues, although they maybe haven’t been there for your whole life, they could have been building for your whole life from antibiotic use stress from a job, et cetera. And it’s kind of like, what actually pulls the trigger. And for you, it was having your second baby because I mean, you’re not sleeping and you know, you’re depleting tons of nutrients, and it probably just like, tipped your body over the edge a little bit, especially with the already present thyroid issues that definitely can contribute. And then the other piece that really stands out to me, too, is just how we don’t talk about what’s not normal, right? Like, it’s not Dinner Table Talk to be like, Hey, did you go poop today? I mean, it isn’t my house, but in most houses, not a normal conversation. And even though it’s something that everybody does, and we should be talking about it, but I mean, even your doctor is probably not asking you did you go to the bathroom every single day?

Erica Shohrae 11:07
Right? Right. Yeah, it’s like, and it was when you realize that it can, it’s definitely embarrassing when you realize that it’s not normal to go that long. And then to say, oh, like, Hey, by the way, I have a question. Is it normal for you to have a bowel movement every single day? Like, I’m not I’m not going to do that? Because it’s just kind of embarrassing. And then, you know, and I would, I would see that from you and just kind of reflect of like, look back and say, oh, yeah, like I would, whenever I would travel, or I would travel with friends, like with my husband. Now. It’s like, whatever, you know, I don’t care. But like, when I would be with friends, I would make sure that I wouldn’t have to poop or have a bowel movement, because I knew like I was going to be in the bathroom for a long time. And that’s also embarrassing. And so I would just hold it. And that’s, as you know, and as we all know, that’s not good. And then realizing like, Oh, my idea of the definition of constipation was like thinking that someone is just sitting on the toilet, like, straining the entire time. But really, it’s also going all these days without having a bowel movement. And that is a big problem.

Dr. Heather Finley 12:23
Yeah, well, and a lot of doctors will say like, as long as you go three times a week, that’s totally fine. But let’s definitely not find you eat every day. So therefore, you should poop every single day. I mean, you eat multiple times a day, you know, most people do or should. And so there’s no reason that you should not be going to the bathroom every single day. So you mentioned, you know, you reached out to me to see like, can you help solve these issues? What do you think it was that? Like, finally, you were like, I think I need help, like, what was going on with like, your symptoms, energy, et cetera? Like, what was the thing that you’re like, I can’t deal with this anymore. I actually need help.

Erica Shohrae 13:04
Well, I think it was mainly the fact that like, I was, like I said, 678 months around that time postpartum. So I’m thinking like, I should be back to my stomach should look like it’s not pregnant anymore. And like, yeah, losing weight, that was kind of a separate thing. But it was more so like, my stomach was just sticking out. And I was eating the way that I know how to eat, you know, still doing for the most part, being gluten free. I was like, I was doing all the things that I knew I should do. And the stomach wasn’t getting better. I was feeling like just everything was that. And so then that affects my self esteem that affects like, all these other things that it was just like, Okay, I need to, I need to do this, and look into it, and at least try to figure out what’s going on because it was uncomfortable.

Dr. Heather Finley 13:59
Mm hmm. What do you think was the most surprising thing that we found that we were like, Oh, wow, I had no idea. This was contributing to my symptoms, like maybe one of the root causes that you discovered maybe that you hadn’t heard of before, or that you didn’t think applied to you, even if you’d seen me post about it.

Erica Shohrae 14:17
Um, I think even though I’d already mentioned this, like, I think factoring stress factoring also, just like you would post about going outside every single day, and I’m like, does that really help you just like kind of, kind of second guessing does she does it really help? And but like, really implementing that and implementing? Like the surprising thing too, is like those little I’d love you tummy rubs and just adding that as well. And then the one thing that I did not want to do, but I knew that we needed to do was have like, do the stool assessment, the test and so that like for anyone who’s listening in You haven’t done it. It’s disgusting.

Dr. Heather Finley 15:06
The most glamorous thing I’ve ever asked people to do, but…

Erica Shohrae 15:10
but that’s how you figure it out. But what was surprising in that test was that gluten intolerance was not detected. And I remember are like, you know how whatever you need to find with that. And I met with Stacey, who’s one of your dieticians, and just saying, like, Wait, did I eat gluten before the test? Did I not? And she said, Well, basically, it’s not detected on there as far as like, that’s an issue for you. And so, like, are you telling me I gave her bread this whole time? I could have been eating it.

Dr. Heather Finley 15:43
Sometimes that’s like, the biggest relief for people honestly, is they’re like, Okay, I thought that this one thing was the problem. And I’ve been focusing on the wrong thing. And you know, maybe, in some cases, gluten can contribute. But in a lot of cases, that’s just kind of a blanket recommendation of like, Oh, you have this cut out gluten, and you should be better. And, you know, you saw some benefit from doing that. It sounds like but it didn’t fully resolve the issue.

Erica Shohrae 16:10
Right. Right. Exactly. And like even now to if I have if I do, I still try to stay away from it, because I’ve noticed that it will add that food belly, the food belly will come back, but it’s like, well, there’s still way more of there’s just a lot more going on than just that. Yeah, well, history.

Dr. Heather Finley 16:30
So you, you know, muscle your way through the stool test. And then we got you on some support for all the things that we saw, which I won’t get into detail of that, because everyone’s stool test is going to be different. So even though, you know, you may have the same symptoms as someone else, like, you know, feeling six months pregnant, even though you aren’t, the the benefit of the stool test is showing, actually, what’s causing that. And so for you, it could be low stomach acid and dysbiosis. But for somebody else, it could be something completely different. And so that’s where like the customization can be really helpful, because you can actually see on paper, okay, this is actually what’s contributing, and then you have a plan. And you can follow the plan, which, you know, I think makes it a lot easier.

Erica Shohrae 17:20
Oh, yeah, absolutely. Well, and to your point of what you’re saying, like it is customized because you do share tools that you can do online, you know that those free resources. And if that’s still not working, then it’s like, okay, well, now let’s really assess like, Yes, keep doing these tools, take those walks, drink water every single day, a specific amount, do the Tamira hum before brushing your teeth or eating? whichever one it was I forget. But you know, do these things, and then we’re still having issues. Okay, let’s do those and add in.

Dr. Heather Finley 17:57
Yeah, yeah, like all these lifestyle, things are going to help. But then let’s get to the customization part, like kind of on a microscopic level, let’s look at what’s actually going on in your gut. Okay, so I’d love to hear just like what are some tangible results, and intangible results that you’ve experienced? Since so this could be like in your GI function and your hormones? You know, you now have a podcast, home life, food, relationships, etc. What were maybe some of the things that like, you expected to happen, and then that you’re like, Oh, this is a added bonus. And I definitely didn’t expect this to change with fixing my gut.

Erica Shohrae 18:42
One thing I do want to say is that I think my expectations which weren’t 100% realistic, were to like, Oh, my guts gonna hit be healed after one week, or like, it’s going to be instantaneous. And the reality is, is that it took this long for, you know, there is this whole history of years and years and years of causing my gut to have all these issues is not going to be an overnight fix. And so I think having that mindset set shift, that reality shift was like, a huge a huge factor in everything. And so when I realized like, okay, it’s going to be more than just like a week is this is going to take time, that was helpful and like, it’s just your mindset is huge in the process as well, I believe and so, you know, kind of post and even during the program, just even feeling comfortable with what I’m eating. So I’m eating and now I don’t feel like there’s this food stuck. Eventually having a bowel movement every single day and it being complete and not like sitting on the toilet for a long time. Like, oh, that’s not normal. Okay. Yeah. So we’re talking about these things. And so just like feeling, okay, I need to go the bathroom. I’m going I’m dying. I’m like that is just embarrassing. It is like you You feel like you need to go and your your route, you got someone else’s home and you’re like, Well, I’m not going to go. And so I’m going to hold it. And like I said earlier, like that’s, that’s just not a good thing that’s not helpful. So I think just experiencing that was huge, being able to use the bathroom and not be embarrassed and being here forever. What’s great, yeah, and you know, something else, too, that I just valued about the program was the accountability factor. So I felt like that was just a very important aspect of it. Because you can, it’s easy to, like I said, you have these free resources. So I’m going to try these things. But then once we customize everything, I’m also able to see and meet with either you or another dietitian. And to have these goals and to try to reach those goals of like, okay, this is what I’m going to try this week. And because I know I’m meeting with you, then I’m going to want to make sure that I’m doing it. And then I’m seeing other women, and I’m at least when I was doing was all women, so I’m still still seeing other women that are struggling as well. But being encouraged that I’m not the only one there, they have their own issues, they’re separate, but they’re having their wins as well. And so it’s like, oh, I’m seeing their win, I’m encouraged by what they’re doing, I’m going to be doing my thing as well. And you know, you’re you’re on there and you’re sharing what’s going on, you’re sharing highs and loads and whatnot. But knowing that you have these people that you’re doing it with. And so I think that it’s just really helpful.

Dr. Heather Finley 21:41
I think one of the things I hear the most is, I don’t want to be in a in a like a group with other people talking about poop. And that’s a common fear that people have. And so can you speak to that? How it’s really not that and also how much individual support there is as well?

Erica Shohrae 21:58
Yeah, well, the good thing is you don’t know these people. So it’s like, well, probably never gonna see you again.

Dr. Heather Finley 22:04
See me again. But yeah.

Erica Shohrae 22:07
But it’s like, you know, you’re, you’re when you’re meeting with one of the registered dietician, you know, when we’re meeting with them, like, well, they care about what’s going on. And so there’s a safety with them, they’re not going to go around and share your business with everybody. They may, you know, if you’re talking about something, and it’s helpful, maybe ask your permission to share with someone else. And you can always say yes or no. But so there’s that. And then you have all these other women that like, you know, like I said, you’re all going through the exact same thing. So you don’t feel like you’re being you’re alone, it’s so easy for us to focus on ourselves and be like, I’m the only one who’s not pooping every day, I’m the only one who can’t eat X, Y, and Z feels like everyone else is eating what they can. The reality is, maybe they’re not, maybe they’re just not talking about it, because we don’t talk about these things. And so it’s a safe environment, to hear from other women who are struggling with similar issues. And you’re all working for the common goal of debt relief. Yeah, help.

Dr. Heather Finley 23:07
Yeah, totally. And I think, you know, if you look at research on, like, how to create success, you know, towards goals, a lot of the research actually does point towards, there needs to be individual support, you know, for specific things. But then there’s a lot to be said about group think and group accountability. And so when I was creating that together, which is like, right around the time that we met, I was thinking, Okay, how do you actually add an individual piece and a group piece, that can be challenging, but, you know, with the blend of the group calls and the individual calls, you kind of get both and, you know, it speaks to different pieces of it, where like, the group is more like, I can do this rah rah, whereas the individual pieces, here’s the plan, here’s what we’re doing.

Erica Shohrae 23:57
Yeah, and another great aspect of the program, too, is that there’s this, like a chat feature to where you can post questions, and whenever you or any, anyone else on your team is able to respond, you respond. And so it’s like, okay, I can muster up the courage to ask this question, or I can individualize it, you know, I can put it to where everyone can see it, or I can just directly ask someone on the team and someone will get back at some point, you know, in the near future. Like Ivan, remember, I was about to start my period and it was like, Whoa, I feel like I’m paying attention to what my body is doing a little bit more like as far as bowel movement and get stuff and reached out and asked and someone’s like, boom, got your answer.

Dr. Heather Finley 24:44
Here’s what’s going on.

Erica Shohrae 24:46
I’m glad I can ask this uncomfortable question.

Dr. Heather Finley 24:50
No, it’s great. It’s like it’s nice to be able to ask the things that like you wouldn’t necessarily feel comfortable asking your girlfriends are the things that we should actually feel comfortable asking or girlfriends, but you know, we’re not all quite there yet. So definitely can be uncomfortable. But what what do you think were some specific fears that you had? Like during the program? Did you ever think like, I’m not going to get better or like, this is all going to be a waste or winter, my Sydenham is going to come back to do you have any thoughts like that?

Erica Shohrae 25:23
Oh, 1,000% Yes. I mean, even before joining the program, I was like, I love Heather. And I know she’s smart. But But do I want to spend like, because this is the time commitment, you know, and it’s a commitment for yourself to be aware of what you’re doing. So I’m thinking like it my fear was, am I going to waste my money? Am I going to waste my time? And am I going to get my hopes up that this is not going to be effective for me like, and I and I mean, some people, I think I commented on something of yours. And someone reached out and was like, hey, was this actually like, really a good program? And I don’t know if she ever joined? I hope she did. But I was like, Oh, my gosh, yes. Join it, do it. If you have any questions like, Absolutely, because her fear, which was my fear was like, I’ve done all these things before, like, I’ve done stuff, and it just doesn’t work. Or it doesn’t work for me, like it works for other people, but not for me. And it’s like, well, if you’re having problems, and nothing has worked thus far, give it a try, like, it is so helpful. It helped me tremendously. And I would say, you know, these, those fears are valid, and I, you know, we understand we get it, but at the same time, the results and the relief that you experience is so worth it. Because knowing how my body has been previously to where it is now to where I was when I was in the program, like, oh, yeah, I would 1,000% recommend for somebody to do it. And because the release in the Help has been life changing. So it’s really good.

Dr. Heather Finley 26:59
What looking back, you know, you said, I’ve tried all these things thus far, what do you think was missing in the past? Do you think it was a combination of things? Or what kind of sticks out to you as far as like, why you hadn’t found relief from your symptoms?

Erica Shohrae 27:15
Well, I think, you know, I was doing quote unquote, some right things was like, I’m it was always been a healthy eater for the most part. And, and so as for me, it was like, Okay, so I’m eating healthy. But maybe there are some things that I’m not eating that are beneficial for me or are not, like paying attention to my water intake. So I do that, but then having that there’s no accountability, again, of like having someone say, like, log your water. But then even going more in depth with the stool assessment of being able to see like, really, really what’s going on. And so providing these different supplements that were helpful, because I would go and to different doctors or chiropractors or whatever, which to have their purposes 1,000% And was say, you know, well, you need to supplement this supplement. And so you would do whatever, because it’s like, oh, you need your probiotics, you need, like certain vitamin D, but you don’t really like if you’re not getting your bloodwork are still assessment, you don’t really know what it is that your body, specifically knees. And so I think adding that in, in addition to what I was doing before, like with eating right, and then adding like, what do I need to do when stress happens? Because stress does happen. And you know, I didn’t tell you this before Heather, like almost almost reached out to you to say how are you? I don’t know if you need to interview me? Because I’m so for the listeners like recently, my family has undergone a huge tragedy. And that has caused so much stress in my life and heartache. And I’m of I don’t tear up but if I do no, yeah. And I feel like my gut has reversed itself back into what it was before. And but like a few like a month or a month and a half ago, I finally realized like, Okay, what’s happening here is you’ve undergone a lot of pain and hurt and stress and trauma. And that is a humongous factor into what’s going on. Like that’s your stomach is communicating that and I was not doing the things that I know that I should be doing was a paint into my water and eating whatever the heck I wanted. I’m not getting adequate sleep, not going outside to walk. Sometimes I would do but I wouldn’t make that like a consistent behavior. Like definitely not taking any type of supplement or probiotic or anything. So it’s like all everything I did to to work hard to heal the gut. It was just like completely reversed because of the stress that had had occurred in my life. And so The past month or so ago, like, Okay, let’s get back to doing what you know what you’re supposed to do. And I’m, I’m very, I’m thankful that I was able to realize, like, Hey, this is what’s causing all of this to happen. Again, it’s this outside factor that you can’t really control. But these are the steps, like going back to my notes when I was in the program, going back to the things that I know what to do. And so like, I’ve even noticed in the past two weeks, that there has been a shift in my gut, like, it’s getting back to how it was when I finished the program, because I’m implementing those important steps. And so to say, and share to with your listeners that like, there are factors in life that happened that we are out of our control, sometimes, and then they’re gonna happen. And so, like, for me, I just, like, threw away everything that I knew. But now I’m getting back into doing those things. And I’m seeing the positive results again, because I know, I know, there’s help. And I know, there’s hope, because of what I experienced through your program, before I have the tools that I need.

As always, please note that this episode or anything discussed on this podcast is not a substitution for medical advice and you should always consult your health practitioner before trying anything new.

 

Dr. Heather Finley 

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